Open the Gate

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Last week I tried something new that I’ve been wanting to try for a couple years. I have sort of a love/hate relationship with gates on toms. Without the gates there’s just way too much cymbal bleed at times. But with the gates I find it quite challenging to get a true tom sound as in what you hear when you bang it behind the kit. It’s hard to get the tom attack right and it’s hard to get dynamic playing right, and it seems like every time I get one side right the other side suffers. Without frequency sensitive gates, you can get the attack to cut, but the threshold ends up generally high to keep the snare from triggering the gate. Countering that generally means using something frequency sensitive, but then you have to key off the body of the drum instead of the attack which makes it hard to get the gates open in time. It’s a sea of compromises, and I’ve been looking for something to try that I could set up quickly that would help with the response of the gates.

The inspiration for this new experiment came from Big Mick Hughes (Metallica, Led Zeppelin reunion) and Robert Scovill (Petty, Rush, Matchbox 20). Basically, the idea is to use drum triggers on the toms to act as a key for the gates. The theory is that the trigger will only react to contact with the drum so that the gates will only react to the actual drum being played. This way all the noise floating around the kit from cymbals and other drums won’t create false gate triggers creating the potential to drop the threshold on the gates so that they respond to much more dynamic playing. That’s the theory anyway. I wasn’t able to try this before because we were channel limited, but now that we’ve expanded our FOH consoles a bit there’s some room to play around.

Now, I honestly have to say I was a little disappointed in the results of my experiment. It’s probably from me expecting more from this technique than I was realistically going to get. What I realized is what I’m after is probably better achieved through drum and mic selection, and my current combination might always leave me wanting. However, I do plan to continue using this when able because there were definitely some benefits. At the end of the day, though, this is more of a luxury technique that might be a great benefit in some situations for some engineers, but wasn’t the Holy Grail for toms I was hoping for in my present situation.

In the photo, you can see the triggers we picked up and where they were placed on the drums. These are basic Pintech drum triggers. The wire from the trigger ends in a 1/4″ jack we connected with one of the included instrument cables to an old passive DI we had on hand that we ran into a channel on the console to bump up the level. On the Venue side I just set the sidechain of the tom gates to the channels for the triggers. At monitor world we’ll use a direct out on each channel to feed directly into the sidechain input of the gate, but we were short on adapters to make it happen last week.

In practice with these particular triggers, one thing I found is that they didn’t isolate as much as I had hoped they would. Maybe it’s a matter of the way our toms are mounted or placement on the drum, but listening to the triggers and examining the waveforms both revealed that there was definitely bleed in the triggers from the rest of the kit, although it was definitely way down from what a microphone picks up. I expected the toms to resonate a bit from the noise around them, but these were definitive “hits” that were audible from listening. I have a feeling that mounting the triggers directly to the heads might have decreased their sensitivity a bit to outside sounds, but I went for shell mounts because I wanted minimal impact on the tone of the drum.

As a result of the bleed, I did end up tweaking the trigger channels a bit more than I originally anticipated. I started by using the gates on the trigger channels. I set these to be frequency sensitive, but instead of shooting for low frequencies like I would with a tom mic, I tuned it up higher to get the clack of the attack. While there were definitive attacks within the excess bleed into the triggers, the bleeding attacks were muffled so this worked pretty good at cleaning the triggers up. Making the gates on the triggers frequency sensitive also let me get the threshold on the gates very low so that I wouldn’t lose the dynamics I was hoping to gain from the triggers. Once the trigger channels were dialed in, it was just a matter of tweaking on the gates on the tom channels themselves to get them to hold and release properly.

Of course, the proof is in the pudding for this sort of thing so here are some audio samples I used to demo this for our FOH volunteers at a training session we did last week. I’d recommend using something other than your laptop speakers to listen to these, though.

These first two samples are a clean mix of the drum kit: close mics and overheads. I just muted everything but the kit. Sample 1 uses our gates configured traditionally using the channel as the key; this is where we probably would have landed sans triggers. Sample 2 is the same section of the song using the triggers to key the gates on the toms.

Intro w/ Traditional Gates

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Intro w/ Triggered Gates

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So the biggest thing I notice in these samples is that the attack on the toms when triggered is sharper. Of course these are naked drums so here are the same samples within the context of the full board mix.

Intro w/ Traditional Gates – Full Mix

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Intro w/ Triggered Gates – Full Mix

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So in full mix, in my opinion, the triggered gates read a little better against the band thanks to the increased attack gained from using the triggers. However, the first sample would have been satisfactory. This is one of those places where we do it because we can.

The next samples are a little different and display the other side of the trigger benefits: dynamics. This is a section of a build-up in one of our songs from last week.

Build w/ Traditional Gates

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Build w/ Triggered Gates

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Notice in the traditional gate sample it sounds like the snare is on its own for the first few beats, however the triggered sample reveals that the floor tom was played for the entire build. The samples below put it in context.

Build w/ Traditional Gates – Full Mix

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Build w/ Triggered Gates – Full Mix

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Listening in context, is there really that much gained, though? Hard to say, in my opinion. I guess if that floor tom is in the sub it might be felt much more through the whole build if the gates are open for every beat. But that’s probably not everybody’s cup of tea.

I will say again that I do plan to continue using the triggers for a while. Song choices and drummers’ playing styles haven’t been given a lot of consideration at this point so we’ll see where they land. However, at this point I wouldn’t recommend that everyone jump on the bandwagon of this this technique. If you’ve got a drummer with some extra triggers laying around it might be worth playing with because your mileage may vary. I will try and update on this in a few months after I’ve tried it on some different guys and some different songs.

David Stagl

8 Responses to “Open the Gate

  • Just curious, did you try this with look ahead gates? What’s your take on look ahead gating?

  • Adam Brandon (Healing Place Church vol. audio tech)
    8 years ago

    I think that is a really cool idea that you tried out. I am looking at this from an iPhone, so I can’t really make a descision on how it sounds. But I have found a solution that favors me some what when it comes to toms.

    I was told by our studio guy that he likes to take from 20k down to 10k out of the EQ completely and uses no gates at all for tracking. I took this idea and tried to incorporate both. Changed the placement of the mics and put my gates on. Suprisingly, I could get away with minimal threshold and sometimes no gates at all.

    Just a thought to pass around. But I will definatly try the triggers too as well. That might be exactly what I need.

  • No look ahead gates. I did everything with on-board channel gates. I haven’t played with look-ahead gates live because they’re going to delay the audio which can get squirrelly with the time alignment stuff I’m doing. Plus, I don’t really want to use extra DSP for tom processing. While I want them to sound really good, they’re just not as high a priority for me as a vocal or guitar or snare drum.

  • I agree – the samples with the triggered gates sounds better.. but only marginally.

    When you said your current combination of drums and mics might always leave you wanting, what did you mean? What would be your ideal picks in a perfect world?

  • Well, there’s nothing wrong with our current drums and mics. We’ve got 421’s for mics which are standards, and the Yamaha kits are good. I think I’m just chasing something that is a multitude of factors. Greatest toms I ever heard were Steve Ferrone’s last summer with Tom Petty, and that’s sort of the sound I’m after. The sound was a combination of drum, drum tuning, drummer, mic choice, mic placement, and mix. What our drummers do with the toms is a little different, though. I think I’m going to try some different mics this week so we’ll see what happens.

  • Hey Dave,

    I think the triggered version sounds better. but in either version you have a very clear, and dry, drum tone.

    In the full mix context, for the introduction, the snare tone has been changed tremendously from the soloed drum tracks, as the snare body overtone has been completely eq’ed out of the final drum tone. For the case of the intro, this “dry” drum tone fits well.

    For the second clip, of the build the snare overtone is retained, and has longer decay than the floor tom, which I think throws it off balance. If the floor tom had a longer decay it would match better in this space. This is a “bigger” drum sound anyway. I also feel it is a touch dry, a medium plate might go a long way.

    So I guess i say that to suggest perhaps it is more than even just the drums themselves relative to the large mix context? The fact you have this much mix subtlety to work with is very cool, BTW

  • There were no EQ changes made between clips. It was just un-muting everything for the full-mix clips so any tone changes would be related to the way things were combining. On the snare it was probably from the FX which I think within the final mix on Sunday the came down compared to what you hear in the full-mix clips posted here. Remember, what might seem dry here doesn’t account for the room it was mixed in.

    I’m with you on the 2nd clip and the decay of the floor tom being too short. That particular floor tom in general is kind of dead and always tends to be. I could try and fake it a bit with verb, but sometimes that’s just getting a little too deep for something that won’t really matter much within the context of the full mix in the room.

  • Wow, the guitar really steps on the snare body tone in the first one.

    PS I am not down on a dry drum tone, sorry if it seemed that way, it was more a statement of fact. Obviously your room plays a huge role in this.

    I still think a high passed/high shelved reverb on that floor tom might help. Give it a 25-30ms predelay, and roll it off below 300, or wherever the room starts to fill in.

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